The Meta Is Ruining Warframe | Warframe 2024 (2024)

Problem is, most average warframe players have no idea how the game works. They go to people like knightmareframe and others for advice, and end up receiving an opinion, which is fair, but they treat it as fact, leading to misinformation/bias spreading and people accepting it as fact. Everyone is always wrong about something but not everyone admits it, and what we get because of that is people that are uninformed on how to do their own research, but think of themselves as an expert in builds and mechanics and will not accept any other way of playing the game that isnt the way they do.
I always try to come up with a build myself, it may not be the kind of build you'd see Dystopia or someone like them do (damage cap against levelcap disruption with a mk1-bo or whatever), because i really don't care if my build scales into levelcap. I want my builds to be comfortable to use for me, so i mod accordingly - for instance, i never use magistar on khora or other statstick frames because i don't want to use magus aggress. To find out what to mod for I might look up a guide, info on wiki, basically just doing some reasearch into synergies, tactics, what works, what doesn't and so on, but i ultimately don't end up copying builds as much, and if i do, i tweak them according to my needs.

Well there's your first mistake, watching kinghtmareframe
Edit: Oh no, I've been found.

warframe is that game where literally anything can be viable, but only a handfull of things will get you thru END end game content. level cap, and stuff like that.

KnightmareFrame is useless as the most current Warframe creators are. Thank you N00blShowtek for teaching me the right way

I've been saying the same for years, I often advise new players I get into the game to stay away from build channels in discord servers, and only use overframe as a general idea to understand what stats a warframe/weapon probably likes - do the rest yourself and if it doesn't work find out why and fix it.

I think any build has it's place, depends what you enjoy.
I recently found the Amar mod set and am playing with melee heavy attacks and tennokai with maintaining combo counter, been having a blast :)

You are one of very few ppl on yt, who tackle this event. Best players dont shiw their builds, they are vastly different and made only for one specific case. It could be devs event like hostile merges event, or going for disruption till round 15, 30 not 46 for lvl cap etc. If you want to have best build you have to mod for specific scenerio, weapons, warframes, companions and playstyle. It is always a full alone build only for that one mission you go to.
The only problematic topic is the state of maining some warframes. Ig you should first experience all mission types, then choose one, two u like the modt and make specific builds for them. You will have the greatest fun in game you ever had in these missions

EXACTLY... Something similar happened to me. I was very proud and still am of my Gauss build. I have Quick thinking on and everyone says it sucks and is a useless mod... It saved my ass so many times. And my akarius. I have modded for pure damage so it works with the Arcane Fortifier and still clears the room almost as good as my torid.

On one hand, warframe players complain about helminth making the builds hom*ogenized, on the other hand, they put the same handful of mods on every god damned weapons in the game lol

I wouldn't worry about it man. I play Loki, use the ghoulsaw and drink my beer in peace.

L4 veteran here speaking, just do what feels right to you, for me a build is complete the moment you feel comfortable with it, same with weapons ans that's how I got obsessed with rivens, they offer better quality of life for weapons than just damage...

Finally, some variety. Meta this, meta that, have you ever met a woman before? It’s mildly infuriating that any time I ask questions referring to what’s good, the answers almost always boil down to “but it’s not a top 3 option so it’s garbage”. Warframe has a huge variety and 90% of it is completely disregarded. Probably 95% tbh. There’s no shame in hogging the tier list or liking the meta, per se, but droning on and on about it like it’s the only thing that matters is nauseating. I enjoy experimenting in games and warframe offers that in bulk, yet the “mindset” of warframe seems to differ quite fondly. Thanks for the breath of fresh air.

Knightmare is always smoking that pack, bro is a joke

People are so bend on dealing maximum dmg possible, but they don't realize that's overkill.
I mean cool, your weapon does red crits, well guess what? Most of the damage gets wasted, because enemies aren't tanky enough to even receive that much dmg. (I saw one guy explaining it best - "KPM is more important than DPS").
It almost feels like people are ALLERGIC to quality of life mods (reload speed/aoe/etc.)
It's one of the reasons why I hate Incarnons, because they're enabling this stupid mentality of "mOrE dMg" even further.

Knightmareframe is the guy who steals builds from overframe and puts psf on anything, that's all I know and tbh all these "big" content creators make only the most generic builds. I'm glad RUclips algo keeps recommending me lesser known warframe players who actually know what they're talking about

Thought this was going to be a different type of rant video and was pleasantly surprised. I’ve been experimenting with Ash prime and different helminth builds that aren’t silence, nourish, and wrathful and i keep getting hate for it, but there are some truly incredible builds you can run with him with some not so obvious helminths.

If u share ur builds then some people will naturally hate on them...that's the risk u take...it's not nice but nothing to worry about...just enjoy the game

You make some good points, but sometimes Index and Arbitration runs can become frustrating because people brought the "wrong" stuff and I have to carry everyone else! They aren't contributing very much!

This is what it comes down to. Warframe is a game of synergy. Anyone can copy a build, but you have to understand it.
Doings stuff and not understanding is 50% of players, looking up builds but not having the mods to copy the builds is the next 30% then you have the meta chasers, use the builds and not understanding them, 18%. Finally you have the top 2% who actually take the time to understand how things work and either use others builds to their fullest, or make their own builds.

Eh, the meta will change as soon as some big sh*t content creator or partner gets a million views on some bullsh*t that they came up with. And then DE will create a new meta or rework everything after the meta becomes too popular.
I played for over 8k hours, and didn't use any meta type builds and still got through the same content as everyone else. I'd use characters in Eidolons and other boss fights just to prove a point. It's about how much knowledge of the game you have and how you use that knowledge. Everything is viable because 90% of the players quit after wave 5 of anything or never touch most content anyway.
Been having this same argument in TFD lately.
Oh, and KnightmareFrame is a total hack. He is just one of those people that puts out builds that create big numbers without any survivability, goes and gets carried by his group, and edits all that out. Don't put much stock into what that jackass says.

You make a good point, however I have 2 counterarguments.
To the knightmareframe calling eclipse DR "bad", I'm pretty sure it was addressing the fact that as a helminth ability it would've been a worse roar with optional swap for DR and many players don't care about DR. I'm not 100% on that. What I'm sure about is that KMF wanted the ability to be switchable instead of light-based because he acknowledged that being able to give a lot of DR across a huge range was very nice, but underused because of how it used to behave.
I don't agree that there is a "defined meta" in this game, there is no 1 weapon or warframe that dominates public lobbies(maybe except for titron wukong, but that's mostly in Asian region). Yes there are statistically better mods, but there is always freedom in mod choice even with "meta" builds. Don't get me wrong there will always exist a META, it comes from its definition. Let's just be happy that we are not back in the days of AoE spam with Kuva Bramma and Kuva Zarr being the only weapons used to kill, that was a "defined meta" where the entirety of the community was affected/made use of it, and that is mainly because of the ease of use and availability of the required items, where the most expensive thing was primed firestorm.
As a footnote, for the love of everything don't let yourself be affected by people, especially overframe users(since I'm convinced they don't even play the game). If you can manage a mission by yourself and you are having fun that's enough for public lobbies. If you are playing solo, nobody and I mean NOBODY should care if you kill one enemy and die 27 times since it doesn't affect anyone but you who defines fun for yourself. Crazy concept, I know. Also, it's fine to take a break, Warframe is not a job, you have no obligation to play every day.

I play Caliban cause like summoner classes, I enjoy him a tone I even keep his 1 on him simply cause it's fun to use

It depends on what you do. If you are a bored veteran and do stuff like lvl cap runs etc you need a somewhat optimized build( shieldgating/ optimized weapons/rivens etc) If you do anything below lvl 1400ish, you can easy switch to qol builds( healttanking/ fun weapons or fun interactions etc). Btw as a veteran i dont mind to carry a mastery 12 excalibur player trough 20 rounds of steelpathcirquit. Because with some of my builds( volt mag dante frost for example ) i can keep them alive without much effort. Just enjoy the game and if you hit a wall optimize till its fun again

It's literally impossible for "the meta" to ruin a PvE game where you can make almost any weapon/warframe combination work.
Like, I don't remember the last time I joined a squad and was kicked out because I wasn't a Saryn with a torid incarnon, because sh*t like that never happens. People are more than happy to carry others in this game.
This isn't world of warcraft where your dungeon mates can kick you if you don't have the cookie cutter tank build they want.

You subsume Dante’s first ability because if you subsume out any other it ruins his kit, you don’t have to subsume anything

I agree with you 100%. For instance I put health mods on tons of builds. I also use faction mods over serration. I use what I enjoy. I mainly use weapons like Reaper Prime.

Personally i just hate seeing "10%" on the overall damage dealt stat when i press tab
if they removed that and the "enemies killed" stat
i would no longer feel performance pressure and would just play for fun

What’s funny is eclipse is actually really good for dr as you need very little strength to reach max and it’s so quick to apply lasts a decent amount of duration as well
Definitely the easiest helminth abilities to use for dr
I think people just need to actually make there own build rather than following other peoples builds like guidance is nice like knowing what stats should be built for ( for example duration strength for mirage and valkyr)

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When someone blindly follow meta and argue why this is good - you know he is stupid. But when someone create off meta builds with not good meta knowledge - there will be disaster or accident.
If some don't want to read: value your time with meta or value your time with fun (or both). Just don't cry about meta/offmeta if you play public and don't trol.
2:04 - what those 2 min give others people? More time to play. When you have 90%+ things in game it's easy to sit and say "well just play slower".Now if someone have only 10% it's nothing special for this person to want the best build. 2 min * X missions = a lot of time.
2:24 - players/content creators do not define meta. Even if ignis wraith is most used weapon it is far from meta. Its very comfortable weapon that many players can easy clear content (no SP) . Many players create their "meta". If someone like rubico prime and call it meta for extermination because "good dmg, one hit = one kill" in his mind this will be meta. I will just over him and him 10 times faster with my kitgun. META = min-max build
3:00 by all respect to him. Don't ever follow his "day 1" videos. There is way to little time to test/know interaction.
4:10 this is stupid argument. Level 20 exterminate....it's like "you don't need to be profesional boxer to win 1vs1 vs some kid that loser arm, leg and is half blind". Many build use SP arcanes/late game mods because no SP content is too easy to make specific builds for it. Global tutorials are much much better for that.
If someone skip progress because he don't know about X thing -> there is universal guide for it. How no SP weapon build would looks like? Hi guys its lvl 40 corpus, now we one-shot him with 3/4 weapons in the game.

I've played Warframe, I think since before Second Dream now. At some point I came to the conclusion I enjoy builds that work in a void, weapon by itself, frame by itself. They still have interactions with one another but I'm definitely losing a lot of potential killing power at level 400+. Don't really care though, because it's more enjoyable for me.

I thought that kind of toxic behaviour was limited to Destiny, which is why I left it. Meta is boring. Bring on the niche builds.

As a player who's just reached the early stages of steel path I can agree for the most part, although I have also found that you do just need to use some "meta" weapons or abilities etc if you want to actually progress. The Warframe meta is defo one of the strongest I've seen tho, you'll actually get some messages from people if you run stuff you like that isn't classed as meta 😆

Ngl as someone who has spent to much time on the game I completely agree for the majority of players on warframe.
I believe that players try to go to the bandwagon a bit too early for their account and that leads to certain factions not being up to par for certain things.
I feel bad because in the long run their account becomes pretty flimsy because they allow a one track mind or “influencer” tell them that this is the correct play-style. I won’t lie in higher tiers of accounts where everyone in that plain has maxed arcanes and can easily trade for plat with good product; it makes sense for them to have that mindset as they not only have every tool at their disposal, but they also have other perks to benefit them.
Most people tend to forget that Warframe doesn’t stop at the singular frame you build. This is the beauty of the game. I can switch to a whole other frame and build them to have more fun.
It is sad to see a lot of players go down this rabbit hole without playing the game for themselves and really enjoying it.

The problem is you need to find people at your level. Same with watching WF meta builds. If you are not ready or willing to play that, then yes, you are going to have a bad time. I've been an off and on player since beta and sitting at LR4, the only thing exciting for me is SP Solo (so I can pause) Endless and Deep A. When people do not like your builds, they are either above your level of play, below your level of play, or just don't get it. You don't need to be upset by this. Meta is probably the only thing that keeps a lot of older players that are not interested in doing non-SP, Cyotic / Rescue missions. Meta is just another level of power creep, just like when they added Arcane helmets, Helminth, Arcanes, Operator abilities, Augments... People should be able to go to that level or not.

Ppl decide what their endgame is (cus warframe has none) and assume everyone has that same mindset.
For knightmareframe for example he has fun making the most ridiculous min max build for lvl cap, and can't imagine ppl not enjoying that. His builds aren't the issue, it's the fact that he thinks that everyone thinks like he does.
Warframe has a meta for levelcap, the issue is that newer players see those and assume that is the only goal (cus when you first start you assume there is an endgame, which there isn't so lvlcap seems the logical endgame)

Like you said, everyone wants bigger numbers cuz dopamine hit. Thing is, if the mfs play at lvl 500 MAX, whats the point of dmg? They sacrifice so much for dmg when QoL is more important.

It's not the meta. It's stupid people following less stupid people and taking their word as the holy gospel and then attacking people because they're doing something different. At some point in any community this basically happens all the time

Meta sevagoth needed resd 3 times in netracells, team go tired of carrying him he died and left. Meta saryn typed out that the skill gap between me and her was that she looted the voca room by extract 2 seconds faster than me 😂😂😂 meta is always going to be prevalent but you can just click ignore and play the game your way, because if you can do damage and stay alive you can play the game.

Man most builds i do are stupid in diffrent ways and its so fun 😂

I stopped using the normal tools and items we get with each sandbox update, I only play with gimmick and niche builds to find success in those instead. Because its just more fun and rewarding. Sadly we won't ever leave this current power crept meta due to Dante's backlash from the community. It really puts DE in this corner where they don't want to upset their playerbase again, and kind of have to continue this current meta.

As a player of 14+ years I look to guide and the wiki to give me hits on how folks build them I play around with it useing that build if I like it I keep it otherwise I mod it to how I would use the gear or abilities. iv managed to turn weapons folks sleep or don't even remember existed in to steel path nukes. The amount of gear items that are powerful but just forgotten about is sad. Who else remembers the fact are consumables that give you better defenses or mobility to all things in a huge AOE, or the raw power of the simple sectors

I ended up making a bit of a meme build for my Garuda Prime where I switched out her Blood Alter healing ability for Ember's Fire Blast and the Healing Flame augment mod. It helps me keep a more mobile weapons platform play style. It's rather fun, and even though it's perhaps not the most practical, it's still useful as a survival build when combined with decent armor, adaptation, and Arcane Blessing I think it is. Whichever Arcane gives more HP to your total per health orb.
And then I have my lovely little Braton Prime with Incarnon and a Riven mod, and I can do some good damage. Nothing that screams BEEG PP ENERGY, but gets the job done.

Steel path omnia fissures, specifically void cascade and conjunction survival could both be technically endgame if you count endgame as whatever has the best rewards, the real endgame is fun and it's fun to hit the integer limit in damage. It's definitely weird how the content for warframe feels severely underdeveloped probably cause we lost a couple of people like shy and train head (vauban person i don't remember their name), there's a lot of issues I've heard about with DE itself but i choose not to look any farther than rumors.

I'm way too lazy to keep up with the meta. I just build what I enjoy in a way that works for me. I assume I've probably got some frames built that lean into the meta just because I try and build into a frame's strengths and that's what the meta is all about, but I can't be bothered to build "the best" frame for every single mission in the game. I can happily take almost any of my builds into steel path kuva fissure survival for a couple hours and have a good time. It's all I need to keep the game fun.

I main Chroma, the D tier frame god lol, recently picked up Oberon and with a basic range build he can do some steelpath missions, didnt put any forma on him btw, wich is crazy, dude f*ck the meta, try stuff by yourself and youll find hidden gems full of fun, and f*ck prime sure footed

i knew using meta was wrong when i got myself a aegrit
Nothing has been more fun and more op then that.

Torid is good but changing up the meta is better
I dropped the torid for a while so I could explore more weapons and I’m rn playing around with kuva weapons
Kuva zarr and ogris
They’re stupid good with a smaller investment but need an ammo mod to maintain its small capacity
They’re both really strong for sp
I’ve had it with mirage and heavy caliber to increase its AOE potential, then switched to chroma so I can be lazy and m1 the floor while nautilus pulls the enemies in.

I like meta :D. Really great for someone who just wants to get over missions the fastest. I also like shield gating builds

You are a 100% right and I'll sub for that.

Good take, i shall follow it religiously and doxx dissenters

Warframe has the bare bones of a meta at any given time and it's solely because of how MUCH stuff is possible. Any tiny tweak to damage by DE can shift the meta in slightly off-kilter direction.
If you'd like to see someone going the distance and just......obliterating the meta, look for a certain bright pink rhino player that can turn the plinx into a nuke.

Warframe is a game where everything works if you get it right. Some are easier, which makes them meta, but the game doesn't force you to play meta.
Problem is, most build online is min-max build, or over buffing a random weapon to an impressive number. These build are for the endgame where people just bored of traditional build, they want to make something fun.
Warframe is a fun game, do what ever you want, the game doesn't just unplayable for you if u doesn't play meta frame or set up. But do not, go around bitching and talking with higher authority that this build is the best and everyone building other is wrong. (Oh I'm not talking about you tho, I met a lot of ppl doing this)
I loved doing cascade level cap. And when I ask for a sevagoth cascade build to collect the idea to craft one, some random dude just recommend me a slam wukong instead. I'm not asking for wukong build, I had a godly riven for magistar, take him to lvl cap a lot of time to boredom.
This is what I don't like. But it isn't meta fault heck this is a problem for all games. Just because this is the internet and we can talk whatever we want.
P/s: I would highly recommend everyone to stay away from overframe because there are many toxic ppl that defending bad builds or takes. If you want a build, ask for a clan mate or watch some build guide on youtube to understand and collect idea for you playstyle.

i will be honest, it's not specificly the meta itself that ruins the game, but the spiral it is a part of. Some have already pointed it out, but yeah, the reliance on out of game sources to have info on how the game works a massive issue. Since those sources won't are competing with eachother for visibility, you will always see builds that go all in and try to justify it, even if it means it's absoluty overkill and even unfun to play in regular content. then the uninformed players will think it's necessary, go for it, miss the point, and will have a dull game, which then force the devs to make content that will satify those players, then the spiral start anew. it's how we got deep archies, and most importantly, steel path, which i find so boring to play because sp was clearly meant as a buffer for the overkill meta fueled by the unchecked powercreep.

This take is always bad. Warframe is a game about numbers and always has been, more damage and faster times is the name of the game. In a game where you need to farm for hundreds of items, people want the most efficient way possible to do it. You ask what people would do with the extra 2 minutes from the archon hunt, well you could do another 4 runs of Ukko. I would argue that Warframe is a game that is basically built around this, like a factory building game, and it always surprises me when people hate the idea of something that is the best option. What is the solution, to nerf all the meta builds? The meta still stands, just weaker ones than before, there is always a best option, whether you want to use it is up to any individual, but the popularity of the meta makes it pretty clear, the type of people that play Warframe WANT to play in the best way possible.

i started this game 2 months ago, when i saw a pumpkin do a void cascade lvl cap on yt and i thought it was cool af, now i can scale to lvl cap with a group of 4
was this speed run worth it ? for me yes, i had fun , but i dont recommend it
but i noticed while learning the game that 95% of the warframe content on yt is simply bad or gimmicky
alot of content creators make builds with no investment in energy regeneration, nothing to provide s or tankyness. just to show big damage numbers. And what they do is show the build in simulacrum or give very specific cut parts of a mission on base steel path, with archon shards they dont show, etc , Basically click bait.
another issue is people make content for the sake of making content, like a youtuber that makes a saryn guide just cuz of tennocon reward. It is going to be a bad build 100% as the creator has never played this frame before
not to mention the god awful advice people gave me as i was learning the game like using a phantasma, sure it has great damage but what good is that if i run out of ammo in 30 secs ? like how every one recommends ignis wraith when it is dog sh*t compared to some of the other options there are at the same mastery lvl..
or how yareli is considered a bad frame when she is actually not only one of the strongest frames that easily scale to lvl cap but also a great beginner friendly frame as she is build with cheap mods and is super strong. I was taught how to play yareli by @best_fish who does cacade lvl caps, and frankly most of the builds on yt about her are bad
as for the "meta", it is important if u have a specific goal that requires a meta build, other wise do what u want

i dont consider Meta bad but its gets really boring especially with frames.. So now i decided to play the least played Frame in warframe.. Nyx.. its great to be different..

Does the Warframe meta ruin the game?
- No, people can play the game however they want. If you don't want to see torid users, slamkong or any other meta users, you can switch to solo. Nobody stop you from playing Excalibur + mk1 gears with no mods just to feel challenge again.

i mean i dont realy care what the meta is. i want to play as a shotgun with legs. and EVERYONE says that i shouldn't, but ive seen 9 differnt meatball builds in the last month alone.

In Warframe the meta isn't the main problem. The braindead devs are.

0:38 - first mistake was opening overframe. second mistake was posting on it. being equally honest, third mistake was thinking that the meta matters when you can just superbuff mag 2 until it kills 280sp enemies with an unmodified mk1 strun.
you can go for hyperfast farming builds, but it really doesn't matter that much. you're still coming back right afterwards bc it didn't drop what you want.

That's honestly just a very small subsection of players who are very vocal, but like, most players don't really care. Don't let em stinkers get to you

This guy gets it

Probably cause the game is a time sink and people don’t wanna waste their time putting together a build that doesn’t work that well.

I agree, i see people in like level 100 sp missions running revenant torid laetum praedos and nourish as the subsume, its kinda sad, especially the point of people using a meta build for something like sp level cap void cascade in a capture mission, i love nidus because hes a ton of fun same with caliban and oberon, but they are kinda horrible in high endurance runs so people just toss em to the side and say theyre trash

The eclipse damage reduction is the better buff.

The main problem with everything you've said is to do with scalability. You're wrong to assert that players never see level cap enemies.
The truth is, the best plat farm in the game is SP Void Cascade Omnia Fissures, with a mod drop chance booster. In which, you stay to level cap and beyond, because the longer you stay the better the Thrax spawnrate is (and since they're the ones dropping the arcanes, this is what you're here for. This is also why you bring a mod drop chance booster as it affects these arcane drops).
At level cap, EHP tanking is not a viable. That is why the Eclipse damage reduction is considered bad. No reachable level of health and DR allows you to tank level cap enemies. At level cap, you must survive through invincibility methods such as Mesmer skin, shield gating, overguard gating, vazarin protective sling, rolling guard etc., or invisibility.
Also in this gamemode, your Thrax killtime is incredibly relevant. If you can't kill them fast enough, you're not just harming the efficiency of the farm for everyone else, but you actually get overrun and fail the mission.
Imo. behind closed doors we can have all the fun we want with radiation damage. But as soon as we want to post a build publically, we have a duty to any viewers of the build to make the build as strong as possible, because people browsing for builds are looking for strength. If they wanted fun as opposed to strength, then they already know how to fulfill their own subjective sense of fun better than anyone else. They don't need another person to tell them how to have fun, because fun is subjective. The only thing that is useful to share is objectively strong builds.

Bro i guess u don't understand whats going on, most Warframe players follow some content creators that lies a lot to there community, the meta. Changes , weapons, builds, nerfs, buffs, etc

Me enjoying off-meta frames because they still kill sh*t just as much as anything else, just have fun lmao
I legit play atlas and hydroid who are so off meta yet i can use them in all and any content 😂 people be so worried about meta like this destiny 2
Unless you use the stub, i cant help you there,

the only mistakes you made were watching knightmare and using overframe in the first place

you are speaking facts bud

I hate the meta crowd they are so annoying my buzlok will hit 8 million a shot interesting fact primed firestorm allows the toroid beam to hit more targets but almost no one runs it 😂

Solid take!

Hold up. There’s a meta??

i haavee to saay this i love leearnign and the main thing i do with this game now thats ive gotten a good sdense of what the maain builds are for thee weapons ive gotten so far and frames is think about what maakes them builds good and then how could i make them better or just fit a different use case example torid incarnon usually slash viral builds are meta but whatabout when using torid qwith frost prime frost prime does 200% cc /cd when enemiees are frozen from his augment so dont need slash or viral or crit how can you get more dmg out of it whilee also giving it the cold main dmg and would any elements make th8ings better and if so why so on turns out you can make it much better then the normal if you enjoy doing this then youll understand how! anyway moral of that opaaragraph is Concur with you and its good to bring this up however i dont think its ruining the game maybe it leads to peopel prematurely quitting the gaame from bordum if they dont get hooked on making builds and tryign new things sure but overall i think its a better thing to have builds thaat sit somewhere neaar the top to give a spot to aim for for peopel who dont know how to make builds yeet
in fact i think this is the majority fo ppl because of the huge influx of ppl lately

Wtf are you talking about dante w roar was figured out day 1 because of how status damage fucmtions in this video game

Sounds like you need to change your comp G

I never use the meta in any game just to prove the stuff people claim isnt true. Did it when I used to play Destiny. Never played the meta and wrecked. I use what people hate on in Warframe and do just fine lol. Are some things stronger? Yeah, but if my play style has synergy with my build(s), i can do better than you and youre fancy mods. I mainly use Xoris or Cerata, have for years. Those are my ONLY weapons I run. I clear rooms in just a few attacks, and can do massive chunk damage to single targets. Just to prove I dont need the best incarnon weapons. I have em set up so I can simultaneously remove shields, bypass all armor, and do direct health damage with DOTS plus impact and slash damage all at once. If an enemy survives the initial attack, the dots usually finish em off before I even throw my glaive a second time. People literally leave matches because I can sit it one spot and pretty much wreck everything from all directions from a pretty good distance lol. I keep hearing Glaive ls are terrible unless it’s Glaive Prime. Not true. I get over 1 mil red crits with Xoris. Aim above their heads and detonate right above em, lots of stacking crits with al the damage types being causes at once. That’s my experience though. I’ve been using only Glaives for 4-5 years. Aside from MR fodder anyway.

Well said!

And one thing I also noticed when it comes to build is people trying to overcomplicate and narrow down certain builds for certain warframes to the point where they're over investing with more resources that are necessary. The biggest offender to this are some of the sevagoth builds I've been seeing when his prime came out. I see people investing in nine to 15 forma in just sevagoth. And I'm doing the same thing they're doing but with only three-4 forma needed to put the entire kit together.

There is no meta anymore. Meta for what. You can make any frame good enough to take on any content in yhe game. What are you on.

I personally look at the status effect / crit chance my weapon has- auto install the bastard. Look what that did to my huild and exlude what i don't like, add what i like, forma by wish.

You talk about other people all the time... play your own game.
I don't see any meta, I play every single Warframe and have a sh*tload of weapons ready for every content. Who in his right mind plays till 9999 often anyway?

Okay, running DEADHEAD on a BEAM weapon with a BLEED BUILD is objectively bad. You are not being objective, you are being highly emotional. Your build was highly suboptimal and you had a number of mods that cause diminishing returns and even torid specific anti-synergy arcane, which Is like modding 101 knowledge, and thats the reason you got bashed. If you can't handle the critique from the minmaxers in this game, dont post your builds. If you use it and it works for you, who cares. I dont. But if you put it out into the open, dont cry when people bash you.

Bro actually subsumed off a harrow ability

Within 40seconds I found your solution: Stop using sh*t like Overframe. Stop taking peoples opinions as gospel.
What can be done in 2mins? 2 runs of Ukko for Relics and still have 25 seconds to scratch my balls.

Dont worry im destroying the meta myself i have an Excalibur thats outdamaging the slam wukkong and iv had at least 30 ppl ask whats my build and im not telling this way the meta will slowly break because damage is everything and i have all of it with Excalibur wich is unbelievable dont believe me add 00ultra